November 23rd, 2007
Which professional golfer has never played at Pine Valley Golf Club?
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November 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 am
Technically, your answer to yesterday’s triva question is incorrect. The original Old Course at St. Andrews had 12 holes, 10 of which were played both out and in, making a total of 22 holes.
November 23rd, 2007 at 4:51 am
From the St Andrews website… it says there were only 12 holes and they played 10 of the holes twice? 22? 12? i think St Andrew had a hole in his head
have a great weekend
November 23rd, 2007 at 5:58 am
The question regarding St. Andrews did have two correct answers. There were only 12 holes! You played the same holes out and back to get to your other answer of 22! Each answer should have been correct or more specific.
Thanks, Steve
November 23rd, 2007 at 6:05 am
You’re kidding, right????????????????
November 23rd, 2007 at 6:09 am
Your answer of 22 holes differs from the answer I found to Thursday’s question. You stated 11 holes out and 11 holes back in. The following quote is what I found : The Old Course had 12 holes, 10 of which were played both out and in, making a total of 22 holes.
I understand it plays as 22, but they clearly state they have 12 holes, 10 of which are used twice per round. That differs from your answer in that you state there were 11 holes in and 11 out. I call a foul and request an inquiry. I think my answer of 12 is correct.
November 23rd, 2007 at 6:25 am
The question asked was, “How many holes did the old course at St Andrews have” The answer you gave was 22. The question is misleading in the way it was asked. For example: A nine hole golf course has only 9 holes. If two rounds are played for 18 holes, it does not make the course have 18 holes. The Old Course had 12 holes, 10 of which were played both out and in, making a total of 22 holes.
November 23rd, 2007 at 6:39 am
fairly certain that original layout at st andrews had 12 holes, — ten of which were replayed. therefore, not 11 played twice. at least this is the history that is revealed when you visit the course.
November 23rd, 2007 at 7:41 am
The Old Course originally had 12 holes, no matter how many were played more than once to complete a round.
November 23rd, 2007 at 7:57 am
I am going to cry foul on yesterday’s answer. The course had only 12 holes. Doesn’t matter whether you play it out and in or sideways…there were only 12 holes. Are you saying that if you played the course twice out and in, the course would have 44 holes? Not!!!!!
November 23rd, 2007 at 8:39 am
The primary source for our question yesterday was the official website of St. Andrews Links which states: “The Old Course originally consisted of twenty-two holes, eleven out and eleven back.” and in a separate history section: ” In 1764 the Old Course consisted of 22 holes, 11 out and 11 back, with golfers playing to the same hole going out and in, except for the 11th and 22nd holes. The golfers decided that the first four holes, and therefore also the last four holes, were too short and that they should be made into two holes instead of four. This reduced the number of holes in the round from 22 to 18, and that is how today’s standard round of golf was created.” There is also an article from 2006 on WorldGolf.com that says: “Gradual change has occurred throughout the entire history of St. Andrews. The original course was 22 holes - 11 holes played out and back. The two shortest in each half were eliminated so the course became nine holes out and back.” On http://www.ruleshistory.com is “At first the course had 11 holes (i.e. a 22-hole course), starting somewhere near where the British Golf Museum is today.” So, we found a number of reliable sources that all repeated that the course had 11 holes out and back in, for a total of 22. Once everyone gets back in the office on Monday, we will consult the judges on our question and answer and will let everyone know the ruling.
November 23rd, 2007 at 9:28 am
If you played the original Saint Andrews and someone asked you how many hole you played that day you would reply 22, not 11 holes played twice.
November 23rd, 2007 at 9:31 am
I think 12 is actually a more correct answer than 22. You asked how many holes were there - not how many holes were played. I don’t think it should matter whether you played them frontwards, backwards, sideways or up side down, the couse still only contained 12 holes. Naturally I got the answer wrong spoiling my otherwise perfect monthly record.
You’ve got a great, fun site but this wording ambiguity has arisen before.
November 23rd, 2007 at 9:56 am
Have you people never seen the British Open from St, Andrews? Yes there are holes going out and holes coming in that share the same green - in that there are greens that have two cups cut in them. One does not play the “same hole” as in from the same tee box and on the same fairway. There are 18 tee boxes (formerly 22) and 18 fairways (formerly 22). When they found several of the holes to be too short, they combined them and went from 22 holes to 18 - the new four holes having single greens and 14 holes having shared greens. As some would suggest, playing the same 9 holes twice does not make an 18 hole course, but, playing from different tee boxes on different fairways to a different cup (hole) on the same green does. The answer Keri provided is correct!
November 23rd, 2007 at 11:12 am
I too found the answer to be 12 holes. It would be a sham to count the same hole being played twice as 2 separate holes! Come on golf TV!!!!!!!!! 10 holes played twice equals ten holes plus two holes played once equals 12 holes!!!!!!!!!!
November 23rd, 2007 at 11:18 am
GolfNow is wrong on yesterday’s answer - they, like us, are not excluded from making mistakes. No biggie though.
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:35 pm
I thought the question was very clear. When the official web site of St. Andrews says there was 22 holes, I believe there was 22 holes. Instead of reading between the lines, just read what the line says. Keep up the good work golfnow.
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:41 pm
hey what happened to my entries ?152+- -36 incorrect now you say i have 2 ???, thx tim
November 23rd, 2007 at 4:38 pm
WHAT A BUNCH OF WHINY BABIES!! The official friggin’ site of ST. ANDREWS says it was 22 holes with 11 in and out - then who cares what you THINK, Mel & Ken S. and losova and jim???? You were wrong. Suck it up and live with it.
November 23rd, 2007 at 9:01 pm
You are wrong on the St. Andrews question. It was 12 holes. It does not matter what their website says. The course had only 12 holes, not 22.
November 24th, 2007 at 9:18 am
I stand by my conviction that there were 12 holes as stated in the wikipedia article on the old course at st andrews which clearly denotes “The Old Course had 12 holes, 10 of which were played both out and in….”. Seems to me that this question was as loaded as some of the respondents who think that if you play a 9 hole course twice that suddenly it is an 18 hole course!!!!! Larry: there is no mention made of there being multiple cups cut in the greens. It says that there were 12 holes…10 of them being played twice…this would total 22 holes played but only 12 holes cut into the greens despite how the modern day course now appears with multiple holes cut into the same greens. This question should have been worded differently to the effect of how many holes originally made up a round rather than how many actual holes existed.I think the question should either be thrown out into the garbage ar all respondents who answered 12 or 22 should get credit for both being technically correct.And BOB, I’m not whining, crying or otherwise groveling…I’m standing up for what I and many others deem to be a misdirected question which had two correct answers based on its ambiguity. According to the article stated above I and others are NOT wrong as you stated and technically neither are you!
November 24th, 2007 at 10:40 am
The Golfing Scotland website says “Until 1764, the course comprised 12 holes and a round consisted of 22 holes.” The “scotishgolfhistory.net” website says ” We do not know exactly when or how the current layout of the Old Course at St Andrews developed, but by 1764 St Andrews consisted of twelve holes, ten of which were played twice, making a round of twenty-two holes in all. “.
Sounds to me like we are talking about two very different things. One - the number of actual physical holes on the course (12) and two, the number of holes in a round (22). In all fairness I think both answers should be counted as correct.
Thanks for listening.
November 24th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Oh, yeah, jim, Wikipedia is the most accurate source on the internet for sure. So you MUST be right if Wikipedia is since it’s NEVER wrong. And I LOVE Berry R.’s comment. I mean, why didn’t you tell us you WERE THE ACTUAL DESIGNER of St. Andrews so you MUST know more than the OFFICIAL WEBSITE FOR ST. ANDREWS. I mean, GolfNow should be ASHAMED for daring to even question you SINCE YOU KNOW IT ALL!!!! God, stupid people wear me out. I’m going to take a nap.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:34 am
There were only twelve holes. regardless of how many times the holes were played, that is the correct answer.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:44 am
If you can’t win call them names huh?
12 holes, 22 played = a round.
November 25th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
I agree with most of the above there were only 12 holes to begin with, so therefore I am calling foul also, you should give everyone credit for either answer to make it fair.
a loyal viewer.
Mary